Wednesday 14 October 2015

Saxoncourt - Nightmare in London

The purpose of this blog is to alert people who are interested in taking the CELTA course or any course offered by Saxoncourt / Shane Global in London, 59 South Molton Street.

To summarize: this school made me have one of the worst nightmares I ever experienced.


SAXONCOURT IN THE BLACKLIST

I searched for a number or places in London where I could take my CELTA course (Cambridge Certificate in English Teaching). Saxoncourt was on my top list because it was one of the cheapest (and that’s exactly what I got: the cheapest!). I googled it to try to find out about the school. I ended up discovering (at the moment and also when it was too late) that the school has a very bad reputation. I found practically no positive reviews. The main thing I found was a blog entitled THE TEFL BACKLIST, which has a post with a collection of terrible things found on the internet about Saxoncourt / Shane Global. http://teflblacklist.blogspot.it/2006/07/shane-schools-saxoncourt-recruitment.html

They mention mainly three things:
- The horrible working conditions of teachers;
- The poor quality of their teaching;
- How much they value money and business sometimes more than people and their teaching.

But I thought: “This post is from 2006, things must have changed… and can you believe everything on the internet?” – Biggest mistake!!! I wish I had believed it!

I entered some groups on Facebook and asked about Saxoncourt. No one said anything except for one person: “You’ll be in the best place in London!”.


MISLEADING ADVERTISEMENT

Their websites (Saxoncourt and Shane Global - http://www.shaneuk.com/ ) seem very professional and attractive, we could find a few pictures of the school in such angles that it seems a modern and clean place (apparently they removed the pictures after I told them I was informed at a legal centre they can be framed for misleading advertisement, but we can still see some pictures on Google Maps or Google images). Also, it is on a prestigious street in central London. I called the school, they interviewed me via skype, very nice people. It can’t be that bad, can it? They made me feel safe, so I enrolled and paid for all the course in advance before arriving in England to secure my place. But the reality was far from what I expected.

BAD CONDITIONS OF THE SCHOOL

When I arrived I found an old, dirty, stinky place: pieces of broken furniture lying around, other old and disgusting furniture which seems to have been taken from a garbage dump (not exaggerating), badly cared and stinky bathrooms, dirty and unhygienic carpet, walls with lots of stains, old paint coming off, some things that need to be fixed are disorderly glued with adhesive tape, a pile of garbage a few centimetres from students who sit by the window (see pictures below). This is a sign of big disrespect to their clients. Lots of these things are unacceptable and very unprofessional. I was so shocked that I couldn't concentrate on my studies. I tried to calm down and thought: “As long as the learning experience is good...” Unfortunately it wasn’t.


BAD LEARNING EXPERIENCE

The teacher was very rude, impatient, not approachable. Just to give an example: when I gave my first class, she stayed at the back of the classroom making faces of displeasure and shaking her head in disapproval as she took notes. I felt horrible. After that, to give me my feedback, she looked down on me: I CAN SEE YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED TEACHER, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE CELTA CRITERIA. I tried to justify what I did, she didn't give me a chance to talk, she raised her hand on my face to "block" me and said in a blunt way: I AM SORRY IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT I AM SAYING, BUT THIS IS MY JOB.

I thought many of her attitudes were unacceptable, she was very offensive. I talked to my classmates to know about their opinion. Most agreed that the school was in very bad conditions and the teacher was rude, but they didn’t want to lose their money (most came from other countries or cities, so they didn’t have a chance to see the school before enrolling). In my case, after three days, I wasn't able to study anymore and decided to leave and ask for a refund.  


I LOST ALL MY MONEY AND THE SCHOOL CALLED THE POLICE TO SEND ME AWAY!

The director and a coordinator called me in a room and told me that according to the contract, I could not have a refund. I said I wanted to exercise my right as a consumer to cancel the contract because they failed to provide me a proper service and also because of the misleading advertisement (putting pictures in such angles that disguise the decadent conditions of the building). They said that is not misleading advertisement, that is “marketing”.

I also explained that I come from a country where teachers receive one of the worst salaries in the world (true!). I saved years of my teacher’s salary and sold everything I had to travel and study abroad and make this dream come true. I explained that was the only money I had to continue my studies and build my future, and as an educational institution, they have a big social responsibility. They answered:
“WE DON’T HAVE ANY SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY. THIS IS BUSINESS.”

I answered back: "In that case, if you think about money first and not people, then you shouldn't direct an educational institution."

I lost all my money and I thought the way they treated me was very disrespectful. I decided to protest: I stayed in front of the school and gave every student who entered a paper with the link of Cambridge website where they can complain about the school in case they have problems. The director and some employees went there to try to stop me. They tried to get my papers by force. In the end, they called the police to get me out of there. I explained the situation to the police officers and told them I was exercising my freedom of speech. They agreed and were friendly, but advised me not to stay there to avoid problems. The school staff said that if I entered there, they would call the police again, and then I would have a criminal record for trespassing. They turned my dream into a nightmare.


TWO SIDES OF THE STORY?

Some people may not believe me and I know it is difficult to give credit to everything we find on the internet (I didn’t at first!). But the pictures speak for themselves, so at least in this aspect I can prove. About the quality of their job, isn’t it strange that we can find practically NO positive reviews about Saxoncourt, but mainly a blog saying horrible things? And after I posted this on Facebook, more people said bad things about it. Also, I wish someone had alerted me before I made a decision to study there, so this is what I am doing now. In case you decide to take the risk of studying at Saxoncourt / Shane Global in London, look for references first and also visit the school before enrolling.


PRECARIOUS STRUCTURE AND RESOURCES 

Fortunately, I could raise money from my friends and family and went to St Giles in Highgate. Then I could compare and see a big difference! St Giles is a very well-cared and beautiful place, appropriate and clean classrooms equipped with technology such as Interactive Board with internet and an installed sound system, big library with free access, computer room exclusive for CELTA trainees with an extra library, friendly and helpful tutors. Except for the tutors, which could be a personal opinion, NONE of the other things can be found at Saxoncourt, where our classroom was in precarious conditions: all we had was some decayed furniture and a simple board… and at times we had to run from room to room to chase for some old, trashy CD player. Yes, they have a computer room (but for the entire school, with only ONE computer reserved for CELTA trainees), there was also a shelf with a dozen books that they called “library”. 

So if you plan on studying at some English school in London, you can find numerous options. Check what the school has to offer and look for references, maybe it is worth investing more. The cheapest could turn out to be the most expensive in the end. 

Anyway, in spite of all these hardships and imbroglio at Saxoncourt, I had a wonderful experience and a happy end with my CELTA course at St Giles.


COMPLAINT TO CAMBRIDGE
If you also have any complaints about Saxoncourt / Shane Global, please report them to Cambridge at http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/help/complaints/ Click on “Helpdesk” > “Submit a request”.



PICTURES

THIS IS HOW THEY SHOW (apparently they removed the pictures from their website, but it is still possible to see on google images and google maps). Blured pictures or just one angle to mask the bad conditions of the school. Perhaps the sign at the front door is one of the few things that look nice. 









THIS IS HOW IT REALLY LOOKS


Floor

A close up on the floor

Pieces of furniture lying around

This is how they fix things


Rundown, stinky bathroom, toilet without lid. Also notice the condition on which the toilet is attached to the floor.

Holes on the wall

Paint coming off

A pile of garbage a few centimetres from students sitting next to the window.

Greasy, torn, dirty seat. Taken from a garbage dump? It matches the door.

A student's seat. Also take a look at the carpet.

Dirty, badly cared walls



38 comments:

  1. I'm not too surprised to read about your experience: as you say when you buy they cheapest you usually get exactly what you pay for. Also as I've been teaching English in China now for almost a year I have friends who teach in a Shane International Language School and the stories I've heard and things I've seen..I'm surprised they are not more widely known as a lowly establishment, one to definitely avoid.
    So sorry to hear about your negative experience, but on the bright side you probably learnt a great lesson!

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    1. Hello! I am not surprise either to hear you say more bad news about Shane. Yes, and I am also surprised we cannot find much information about this school. So I hope this blog will reach people before they go to Saxoncourt / Shane and prevent them from experiencing what I went through. Lesson learned!

      Thanks for your message!

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  2. Hello Jenni
    Thank you for this post. I can assure you that these issues have been resolved and would kindly ask your permission to post photos showing the real current state of the school. We provide quality training at a great price which makes our course quite popular. Please do respond Jenni if I can be of further assistance.

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  3. I did my CELTA at Saxoncourt and really enjoyed it. The trainers were really supportive and helpful and your report sounds exaggerated. I agree the school could do with a lick of paint but it's the people that count. The staff couldn't have been more friendly when I was there

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  4. I took my course at Saxoncourt too. I just finished the course because I didn't want to lose my money. The pictures don't lie: the school was in horrible conditions, they don't provide the right structure or appropriate materials, there isn't a proper library or proper equipment. They do have a bad reputation. I cannot recommend.

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  5. Any reviews on their schools in China? How bad is their reputation there? I was thinking of teaching there but this report about their school in London is giving me second thoughts.

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    1. I wouldn't take the risk if I were you. You are pushing your luck. They have enough bad reviews.

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  6. A very good article is a very good,my it expensive toilet

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  7. I attended this course and got bullied by the main tutor. Everything the blogger writes about is true. The school is terrible and they want to maintain some sort of credibility. Stay away from saxoncourt.Pay a bit more money elsewhere because this cheap course will cost you more in the long run.

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  8. I attended this course and got bullied by the main tutor. Everything the blogger writes about is true. The school is terrible and they want to maintain some sort of credibility. Stay away from saxoncourt.Pay a bit more money elsewhere because this cheap course will cost you more in the long run.

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  9. You want everything to be given in a perfect, clean and beautiful manner, with everything you could possibly need... but you also want to pay the cheapest price? Are you serious? I took my CELTA at Saxon Court, and of course the school has some flaws. Every school I've ever taught in, or been a student myself in, has had flaws! The bad student blames the teacher first, and when their cries go unheard, they blame the school. Is a wall with some pen marks on it, next to a whiteboard (obviously used by students to test pens) really so offensive to you? Does it affect your understanding of lectures being delivered? Does it detract from the focus of your lessons? Or are you a weak teacher, not up to the high standard that CELTA commands, and looking for any possible excuse you might find to get a refund from Saxon Court after you bailed on a course?

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    1. You are being too kind to say the school has "some" flaws. Obviously you must defend it now, since you got a certificate from them, which is a shame, because there are much better CELTA providers for fair prices. It's not only about the carelessness of the building conditions, but also the precarious structure they offer. But it seems you don't know any better to compare. Anyone who types in "Saxoncourt" on Google, forums or social groups can see how bad their reputation is, and that comes from years ago and they still haven't improved.

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    2. I can see that Shane schools have an absolutely terrible reputation, for certain. The recruiter at Saxon Court was vague and a little pushy in trying to get us into their schools, and I think only one person chose to take a job with them out of 12 students. I rate Saxoncourt very highly for my CELTA qualification, though. You're so upset about the building condition and I find it laughable - what high standards you must have - and as for the library, they're not a university. They're a small school, offering a much lower price than others. Anyone's free to make their own choice - congratulations on finding a school that did meet your needs! But as for the quality of my CELTA certificate? I don't need to defend it. I know without doubt that both of my tutors were of the highest calibre. They pushed us as well as nurtured us; in order to create a teacher you must allow independent problem solving. Oh no, the CD player isn't there! The designated thing that I need, and I rely on, what on earth can I do? This happens in my school all the time! It's a school - people borrow things without asking despite you telling them they're forbidden to do so. People need things. Things break without notice. I have to use a computer that's entirely in Korean, and running windows XP. It sucks, so I made lessons that don't rely on things I can't control. If you're the kind of person who wants to be told what the correct answer is, or how to plan your lessons, or precisely how you should teach something... good luck with your future career. Nobody is going to hold your hand when you're a paid teacher - you're the one who should have the answers. Not a day goes by that I'm not studying.

      And if you were wondering, I love where I work :)

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  10. I find it funny that you have to say negative things about this school but are not willing to give your names. May be if you considered doing this the school would be able to defend itself, I have worked in very well know private schools in England, as a teacher, and they are also far from perfect... Show me a perfect place to work and or learn and I will show you a lie!!!

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  11. AVOID DOING CELTA AT THIS SCHOOL. You can choose to believe or disbelieve this, but you have been warned! If you're looking for a cheap provider look on CELTA/DELTA.
    Here is my experience..... I started the course full of optimism and confidence, but by the end of it I was a nervous wreck. I took time off work and rented a room in London to make sure I gave the course the full attention it deserved. Upon arrival, I noticed Rick’s attitude toward me was different, he was friendly yet did his best to pick on me at all times. His verbal feedback was constantly negative and offered no solutions, sometimes when I took his advice he found something else to criticise. He’d say things like: “you are too loud”, “the students don’t trust you”, “people like you fail this course” or “you don’t seem to know what you are teaching.” Every time I asked for help his response was, “you should know that already.” I had read the recommended books but this made no difference to his attitude. I was there to learn and improve on my weaknesses but I did not get the support I needed. I was open, honest and willing to accept criticism. The longer the course went on the worse his criticism grew, I went home and cried most evenings.
    My experience worsened in week two when I genuinely prepared the wrong lesson. I was advised to prepare a lesson from page 52 of the total English Upper Intermediate textbook. The page had two lessons, a reading lesson and a vocabulary lesson, I prepared the reading lesson. As soon as I noticed my error I informed Rick. I approached him apologetically, hoping he’d understand, but his reaction left me shocked and traumatised. He became visibly angry and said “you are lazy and disorganised; you should be more organised.” With rage he stormed out of the room. He returned about 15 minutes later and told me he would give me a chance to prepare another vocabulary lesson. I tried to show him that despite picking the wrong lesson I had a lesson plan and material for the students to use, his response was “keep it, it’s no use to me.” He then asked me to teach unobserved and left the room without looking at the material.

    In week three I had a new tutor, who was more supportive and gave honest criticism Unlike Rick, she affirmed the correct methods I had used and gave me helpful suggestions to change the incorrect methods I had used.
    This same week I had to go back to Rick’s Upper Intermediate class to make up the lesson from TP4. I spent three evenings preparing this lesson. I was going to teach a listening/vocabulary lesson on phrasal verbs. These verbs were in relation to the conversation the students heard during the listening part of the lesson. I double checked with both Cambridge and Oxford learner dictionaries to make sure I got the meanings correct.

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    1. I completely agree Mo! What you describe also accurately describes my experience at Saxoncourt!

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  12. Part two.
    Whilst trainee teachers are teaching, Rick likes to sit in front of the class right next to the trainee. When he thinks they have made a mistake he quickly steps in to correct the trainee, this alone made me very uneasy, and it caused the students to seek clarification from him rather that the trainee teacher.
    When I started teaching Rick was busy reading and writing comments on another trainee’s self-evaluation form. Eventually he finished and looked up. I was in the middle of explaining the phrasal verb ‘bound to’ From the context of ‘He’s bound to get that job. I explained to the students that ‘bound to’ in this sentence means ‘likely to’, for example ‘he is likely to get that job’. From behind me, I could hear Rick saying “No. No that’s wrong. That’s wrong”. I carried on teaching because I knew I was right. The next phrasal verb was ‘on the verge of’ from the sentence ‘I’m on the verge of quitting my job’ I Explained that ‘on the verge of’ meant ‘close to’ or ‘almost’. In this case the person was almost quitting their job, but they hadn’t done so. Again Rick said this was wrong. At this point there wasn’t much time left in the lesson and I was aware that I was correct, so I carried on teaching.
    I also explained that ‘at the point of’ means the moment you do something, whereas ‘about to’ means the moment before you do something, the two words are very similar in meaning, so I drew a time line on the board to illustrate. This is what I gathered from the dictionaries. Rick however believed this was wrong because the two phrases mean exactly the same thing.
    It was at this point when one of the students looked at me with concern and showed me a piece of paper. The paper had Rick’s writing on it. The secret note was instructing the students to disregard my explanations and copy what he had written on it. Since I had a good rapport with the students they didn’t want to ignore my teaching, so they were left confused. Rick continued gesturing to the students to copy the definitions from his note. I was very upset but I continued teaching until the end of the lesson. When I asked Rick why he wrote the note he responded by saying that was convinced that I did not know enough to teach the students properly and English was not my first language. English is my first language.
    As far as he was concerned, he had an obligation to make sure the students got a proper lesson. I had put every effort into making this lesson a success but Rick undermined me, inaccurately judged my background and failed me. I knew from that point that I wasn’t going to pass the course. He made it obvious he had no regard for me whatsoever. The time he allocated this lesson he informed me it was a TP4 lesson, but instead it was moved to TP7.
    I have been teaching English successfully since September 2011; my teaching was not perfect but it was effective. I did my best to adjust and learn, but Rick made every effort to belittle me and made sure I felt it. By the end of week three my confidence was gone, I couldn’t stand in front of the classroom without feeling nervous. I spent time rehearsing all my lessons, but when I was in class I was a nervous wreck. This was also noted by a number of my fellow trainees. It will take a long time for me to comfortably stand in front of a classroom and teach. In Rick’s own words “When you identify a strong student, the best way to get then to learn is to find their weakness and dwell on it until they feel weak. Then they will learn.” This notion has had a damaging effect on me
    I regret doing my CELTA at Saxoncourt. I felt like leaving at the end of week two. Instead of quitting, I persevered. I hoped that things would improve. Unfortunately, this was not the case.

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    1. What a horrible experience you had!!! It's unbelievable how Cambridge still credits such terrible CELTA providers in spite of all the complaints, scandals and obvious bad reputation. It's sad to know that Saxoncourt continues to make people's dreams turn into nightmares. While Cambridge just turns its back and doesn't take any measures, we should spread the word on the Internet to warn other people. It's not right the way they HUMILIATE people like that. I know about a number of cases. They shouldn't get away with that. But don't let this take you down. I think it's ok to let yourself feel down for a moment and cry, we are all humans. But you should move on and look for a decent CELTA provider. Use this as a lesson to make you stronger.

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    2. I really feel sorry to read your story. Millions of thanks for sharing the incident. It helped me very much. I was planning to take admission there. Yes, it is quite difficult to make right decision without visiting the place. But true experience shared like this will really help others.

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    3. Mo, thanks for sharing your experience. I have been working in teaching for more than ten years, training and guiding new teachers. The way some of the tutors at Saxoncourt approach students is simply not right. They have a very abrupt and arrogant attitude.

      I have heard some people defending their approach by claiming that it really needs to be rough and rigid because that is a training course where they are trying to make you ready for a job position where you have to cope with pressure and demanding bosses. But no boss has the right to be arrogant and treat employees like dirt, the way they sometimes treat CELTA students.

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  13. This is really pathetic. I had a good experience at Saxoncourt and while i recognise many of the issues raised in this post, the quality of tuition and admin support were excellent. The rooms aren't in very good shape, but who the hell cares? It's convenient for people who work or stay in central London and they offer a free open day where you can go and visit the place and see it for yourself. And of course you don't get a refund. Read the terms and conditions.

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    1. Just google Saxoncourt and you are going to see lots of complaints. Of course that if the school still runs, there must be people like you satisfied with their services and precarious structure compared to others. After all, they offer perhaps "the best price in London", and that's what you pay for.

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    2. Are you one of the trainers - Rick or Louise - but under an alias?

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  15. I took part in CELTA course in Saxoncourt in 2017. I traveled from one Asian country as a 10 years experienced teacher and that course and its certificate was very important for me. The thing that bother and annoyed me a lot was the bad behavior of trainees there. They were sexist and racist. They pay attention to English people and give more help and support to them while ignorant to trainers from other countries. Their comments were mostly subjective and unfair.
    That was the worst course I have ever had and as a first experience of studying in England, I always remember it as the worst experience of my life.
    I can say that I lost my self confidence after that as an experienced teacher.

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    1. Thanks for sharing your experience. Studying at Saxoncourt was also the worst studying experience I ever had in my life too. You are not alone, and I think it's very important that we share our experiences in order to alert other people. What Saxoncourt does is not right.

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    2. Are you one of the trainers -Rick or Louise - but under an alias?

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  16. They had a teacher called Katherine or Katrina or something.I think she was racist.The place seemed very dodgy and money oriented.I did complete my course there but I had several terrible incidences where I feel the main tutor was not being sincere and operating on a system based upon favouritism and prejudice and it seemed no one seemed to check in internally so I had no idea who I could complain to.I was quite young but I wish I had stood up to her she was a misery guts and I just know that one day her mean spirit will cause her to lose her job.

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  17. Saxon Court London operation have shut down!

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    1. They announced in their website they are "temporarily" out of service, but that has already been months ago. In the announcement, they explained they were moving to a new building to improve their services (it would be about time!)... But now they have erased that explanation and it seems things haven't happened yet.
      I wonder if Cambridge has finally taken some measures to lift Saxoncourt's accreditation for CELTA or at least enforced improvements.
      It could also be for any other reason... but anyway, being "out of service" for so many months cannot be a good sign. It's another indication they are not a solid CELTA provider. There are decent places in London that have been running CELTA for many decades.

      https://www.saxoncourt.com/saxoncourt-teacher-training-temporarily-out-of-service/

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  18. I did my CELTA course there in January 2017. And overall I was pleased with how the course went. However, the school was an absolute state! Also there was a trainer there called Bee Govi (as far as I remember) and she was an absolute witch! I haven't experienced a person quite so rude as her. However, Rick was absolutely fantastic and a pleasure to learn from! I suppose I got on well with the other trainees there and we had a good time. I've now been teaching in Italy for 2 years. Bee the WITCH is all I can say, a nasty piece of work. Wish I could've said to her face how much of an idiot she was. Hope she reads this!!

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  20. I have to say that your blog is completely accurate! I completely and whole heartedly agree with everything that you have written. I completed my CELTA training in 2011 and found the female trainer to nothing short of belittling, and bullying towards particular trainers, to the extent where some would cry. The dilapidated conditions of the school, and the photos which you took of them, clearly represent the schools conditions. I found the training to be so poor that after completing my CELTA qualification. I never taught again. To anonymous poster who called the blog ‘pathetic’ maybe you are the female trainer who various posters are discussing, as surely no-one else would defend the school so vehemently. Thanks again for taking the tome to create this, and I’m so sorry that your visit to the UK ended in this way.

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